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  • #16
    Originally posted by Tom C View Post
    Forelle,

    we are selling John's specc'd circuit, spec'd coil, spec'd magnets... no one is forcing anyone to buy anything.... you can build it all without buying one thing from anyone. John does not say anything because he has shown you how to do it. if you are killing batteries you are doing it wrong!! if you build just like the book says it will do 1 to 1 plus the work of spinning the wheel which is added to the calculations as work.

    on another thread Branch went from 5 batteries to 2 batteries and all he did was change wire size on his batteries.

    so here it is again:

    21 magnets
    26 inch bike wheel
    free spin time above 8 minutes
    130 ft 9 filar coil 8 20 gauge 1 23 gauge wound in attraction mode
    R60 core 3/4 inch diameter
    mjl 21194 transistors beta matched
    470 ohm base resistors
    12 ohm final resistor
    1n4007 diodes
    neon across the e/c

    you can change current draw by changing coil gap, base resistance or number of magnets. current draw must be at C20 rate for your primary. a 5 amp HR battery will NOT work for a bike wheel that pulls 2 amps from the primary, it will kill your battery....
    Big short cables to and from your battery 12 gauge minimum
    New Good Batteries not junkyard... flooded lead acid

    charge your primary after every run.

    not sure how else I can help...... I don't know why you are killing batteries... I only kill them when I abuse them, and I have killed quite a few.

    Tom C






    The SG does not kill batteries. please post pictures of your build, the batteries you are using, etc....
    Hi Tom
    I have allways used C20 and my coil is 7xAWG 19 and 1xAWG22 and the wheel is 22" and has 18 magnets.When i killed the batteries my coil had 8xAWG 18.I have to built it exactly like JB has but i thought the coil is 7xAWG20 and 1xAWG 23?And the wheel in the SG book is 20" and has 24 magnets?What i will say is that it looks like it has to have not so exactly these numbers I have tried several different numbers of magnets and the only diffrence i saw was the more magnets more primary ampdraw.And a questiion to the speed:Normaly we shall adjust it for the lowest ampdraw and fastest speed but this also means the badest charging.I adjust the the baseresistance so that it beginns to switch twice per mag and then turn it a little back for one pulse per mag thats with 470 ohm and the pot at ca.10ohm,the charging is directly related to the primary ampdraw,is that right?I have two 22Ah in parallel and two 14AH.bikewheel 54.jpggel 14.jpgh wave 40x25x10.jpglead 22.jpg
    But the question is still not answered.
    Last edited by forelle; 02-11-2014, 03:36 AM.

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    • #17
      [QUOTE=Tom C;13135]Forelle,

      we are selling John's specc'd circuit, spec'd coil, spec'd magnets... no one is forcing anyone to buy anything.... you can build it all without buying one thing from anyone. John does not say anything because he has shown you how to do it. if you are killing batteries you are doing it wrong!! if you build just like the book says it will do 1 to 1 plus the work of spinning the wheel which is added to the calculations as work.

      on another thread Branch went from 5 batteries to 2 batteries and all he did was change wire size on his batteries.

      so here it is again:

      21 magnets
      26 inch bike wheel
      free spin time above 8 minutes
      130 ft 9 filar coil 8 20 gauge 1 23 gauge wound in attraction mode
      R60 core 3/4 inch diameter
      mjl 21194 transistors beta matched
      470 ohm base resistors
      12 ohm final resistor
      1n4007 diodes
      neon across the e/c

      you can change current draw by changing coil gap, base resistance or number of magnets. current draw must be at C20 rate for your primary. a 5 amp HR battery will NOT work for a bike wheel that pulls 2 amps from the primary, it will kill your battery....
      Big short cables to and from your battery 12 gauge minimum
      New Good Batteries not junkyard... flooded lead acid

      charge your primary after every run.

      not sure how else I can help...... I don't know why you are killing batteries... I only kill them when I abuse them, and I have killed quite a few.

      Tom C






      The SG does not kill batteries. please post pictures of your build, the batteries you are using, etc....[/Q

      Hi Tom
      The question was not "please help me i dont know how to build an Sg"
      The question is "Why nobody shows how to charge the secondary battery with the primary and has a bit left over in the official bedini forum"
      Like Jb showed in DVD33 when he puts out 1 Amp and charged it then fully in short time without draining the primary.
      There are so many videos about all kinds of stuff and not a single one about the goal of this hole forum.
      JB said to John Koorn in the Superpole Bikewheel thread"The most important thing is you can charge 4 batteries for one input"
      That was at the beginning of the thread and is now more than one year ago.Why dont you show JB how you do this?I am asking not for 4 batteries only for one.
      I dont know how many members this forum has,but am i the only one who want to see how charging 1 to 1 battery?
      This has nothing to do with me and why i can not do it,i know what i have to change and then i look further.
      When you say you are not allowed to show charging 1-1 then i have to take it,but then we are more or less lost and i stop asking.
      Last edited by forelle; 02-12-2014, 03:22 AM.

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      • #18
        Hey Brodie, I am no specialist but what you are doing appears to deserve a bit of photos and schematics here. Please share this with us
        If that's incredible stuff, take off the suit, put on a professor suit, and describe this.
        Thank you !

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Bung-ee View Post
          Hey Brodie, I am no specialist but what you are doing appears to deserve a bit of photos and schematics here. Please share this with us
          If that's incredible stuff, take off the suit, put on a professor suit, and describe this.
          Thank you !
          Hi Bung-ee and Brodie
          If you are not interessted in my question, please open an other thread,that has nothing to do with this one.
          Thanks

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          • #20
            Hi Tom
            The question was not "please help me i dont know how to build an Sg"
            The question is "Why nobody shows how to charge the secondary battery with the primary and has a bit left over in the official bedini forum"
            Like Jb showed in DVD33 when he puts out 1 Amp and charged it then fully in short time without draining the primary.
            There are so many videos about all kinds of stuff and not a single one about the goal of this hole forum.
            JB said to John Koorn in the Superpole Bikewheel thread"The most important thing is you can charge 4 batteries for one input"
            That was at the beginning of the thread and is now more than one year ago.Why dont you show JB how you do this?I am asking not for 4 batteries only for one.
            I dont know how many members this forum has,but am i the only one who want to see how charging 1 to 1 battery?
            This has nothing to do with me and why i can not do it,i know what i have to change and then i look further.
            When you say you are not allowed to show charging 1-1 then i have to take it,but then we are more or less lost and i stop asking.
            Still no answer.

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            • #21
              1 to 1 is easy.
              even this does better than 1:1

              plenty of people getting 1:1 on this forum and others.

              Originally posted by forelle View Post
              Hi Tom
              The question was not "please help me i dont know how to build an Sg"
              The question is "Why nobody shows how to charge the secondary battery with the primary and has a bit left over in the official bedini forum"

              I am asking not for 4 batteries only for one.

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              • #22
                @Patrick,

                nice work Patrick!

                @forelle,
                He has just shown you "one way" to do it, there are many more. Patrick is not a moderator, has no secret "knowledge" just has done his homework. go and replicate.

                Tom C


                experimental Kits, chargers and solar trackers

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by forelle View Post
                  Hi Tom
                  The question was not "please help me i dont know how to build an Sg"
                  The question is "Why nobody shows how to charge the secondary battery with the primary and has a bit left over in the official bedini forum"
                  Like Jb showed in DVD33 when he puts out 1 Amp and charged it then fully in short time without draining the primary.
                  There are so many videos about all kinds of stuff and not a single one about the goal of this hole forum.
                  JB said to John Koorn in the Superpole Bikewheel thread"The most important thing is you can charge 4 batteries for one input"
                  That was at the beginning of the thread and is now more than one year ago.Why dont you show JB how you do this?I am asking not for 4 batteries only for one.
                  I dont know how many members this forum has,but am i the only one who want to see how charging 1 to 1 battery?
                  This has nothing to do with me and why i can not do it,i know what i have to change and then i look further.
                  When you say you are not allowed to show charging 1-1 then i have to take it,but then we are more or less lost and i stop asking.
                  Still no answer.
                  I wanted to answer this one separately because a tuned SG will do 1 to 1, that is why I answered you the way I did. I cannot say anything else, no magic. I don't know why you are not getting good charging.

                  Tom C


                  experimental Kits, chargers and solar trackers

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by min2oly View Post
                    1 to 1 is easy.
                    even this does better than 1:1
                    ...snip...
                    plenty of people getting 1:1 on this forum and others.
                    Nice work Patrick! Thanks for sharing

                    John K.

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                    • #25
                      Patrick why you use south pole magnets
                      time 3.16 (the rotor south out)
                      Last edited by Ed_Morbus; 02-13-2014, 08:21 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Hi Patrick,

                        nice video! but two questions: What makes it meaningful to charge a fully charged battery? And of what you recognize a COP 1 to 1 here?
                        Such videos do not prove anything. Let us know the Joues in vs Joules out. Nothing else matters.

                        have a nice day everyboby

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                        • #27
                          I don't want to speak for Patrick but Hobby did you miss the fact that Patrick said these batteries were the wrong size. He is probably running those poor little things at like a C5 or less so of course he cannot do a full run.

                          Anyone with a trained eye can understand what he is showing and knows where it leads under the right circumstance. If you think it's all BullSh*t than perhaps you should just move on. You do not learn this overnight and nobody can just hand it to you on a plate, it takes a lot of time experimenting. I understand your frustration but it is not for everyone.

                          *Edit*
                          I would also add something for you guys to think about. Even if you cannot achieve a 1 to 1 charge who cares. By using this technology you will prolong your battery life many times over due to the desulphation that occurs. Think of the gain over time when you can use a battery for 10 -15 years instead of 3 -5 because no matter if you get 100, 80, 60 percent efficiency your batteries will be performing better and lasting longer. Not to mention that you can salvage other peoples throw away and put them back into service.
                          Last edited by BobZilla; 02-14-2014, 12:25 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Hi Mr. Robotik,
                            show me the money, show me the gold, sell me one that works off the shelf. Maybe someone someday somewhere will pop out and do it. not for me, and for now, this will do.

                            There R many video's out there "proving" OU devices - ie - I'll never "prove" anything in a vid. my hope with this one was that anyone w/ this same rotor (there must be a couple hundred at least) can replicate w/ a couple dollars of added wire.

                            Also, no, you make the same mistake many do. The batteries I show are not fully charged at that voltage. They like to rest much higher. I show this in other vids, no I do not expect all to go back and watch.

                            If you studied this stuff you would know joules in VS joules out SHOULD be very large to very small, that is not where the increase comes.... I guess that depends where you measure the joules out - if you measure them from the charge battery output, that is where you will see the increase. John K's latest Super Pole wheel vid comes very close to being able to prove it. I wish it was easy to prove in a video. I'm not there... yet. Good luck with Ur experiments.
                            dung works on flies try a little honey next time



                            Originally posted by hobbyrobotik View Post
                            Hi Patrick,

                            nice video! but two questions: What makes it meaningful to charge a fully charged battery? And of what you recognize a COP 1 to 1 here?
                            Such videos do not prove anything. Let us know the Joues in vs Joules out. Nothing else matters.

                            have a nice day everyboby

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                            • #29
                              Hi Ed,
                              I purchased two of these, years ago. The first one I put together, I accidentally glued the souths out. When I realized this a purchased the second. It's been very handy to have 2. Come to find out, south out lit up the neons brilliantly compared to the N. If you have N out on yours, you can also switch the wires so they attract the north instead of repel.
                              Patrick A






                              Originally posted by Ed_Morbus View Post
                              Patrick why you use south pole magnets
                              time 3.16 (the rotor south out)

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                              • #30
                                Hi forelle & hobbyrobotic,

                                I just got my third ssg put together last night. The first one was a poor design kit from Rick. The second one I made from scratch with a five filar 18 AWG coil and 26" bike wheel with 18 magnets. It performend fairly well, but never acheived 1 to 1 charging. Not even in generator mode running in attraction.

                                The one I just finished uses a 26" bike wheel with 21 magnets and consists of an eight filar coil from Teslagenx (seven 20AWG and one 23 AWG winds @130 feet). It also uses the transistor kit and circuit board from Teslagenx. I have two fans mounted on the wheel, just like in videos #33 and #34. My primary battery is two lawn and garden batteries in parallel which have been abused for over three years and somewhat improved with a 1AU Tesla Charger. The charge battery is a nearly four year old lawn and garden battery that has only been charged on the ssg machines.

                                After initial testing and setting the air gap last night the charge battery was completly charged and the primary batteries were down a little, so I took 1 AH (one amp for one hour) out of the charge battery and put the primaries on the 1AU charger overnight. This morning the primaries were sitting at 13.08 volts and the charge battery was sitting at 12.58 volts. I hooked up the ssg in generator mode while logging the charge on my CBA III analyser. The current draw on the primaries according to my analog ammeter was 1.6 amps for 29 minutes. The run voltage on the primaries started at 12.54 volts and only dropped to 12.52 volts during the run. The charge battey went to 16.0 volts, fully recharged in that 29 minutes. One hour after the end of the run, the primaries had recovered to a standing voltage of 12.87 and the charge battery was resting at 12.81 volts. (The charge battery always sits a little lower the primaries when fully charged).

                                So 1 AH down on the charge battery and it was recharged by .8 AH from the primaries. That's a COP of 1.25 and doesn't even include the energy used by the wheel and two fans!!
                                Last edited by Gary Hammond; 02-17-2014, 01:08 AM. Reason: corrected age of batteries

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