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  • scilover
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    Plasma ignitionFeatured snippet from the web

    The plasma ignition system is the structure involving direct ignition as is which can output both spark (by the high voltage) and microwave from a spark plug tip by mixing microwave of 1kw class 2.45GHz in the pathway of a high voltage supplied to the spark plug from the second coil of the ignition coil as shown in Fig.....

    https://www.denso-ten.com/business/t...f/Vol01-10.pdf

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  • firozmusthafa
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    I just discovered that ferrocene mixed with polyisobutylene succinimide (PIBSI) is great for improving fuel economy (my bike showed about 5kmpl improvement, generator got an additional 40 minutes run time and my car got about 8kmpl improvement which is shocking, probably its because of multiple cylinders). With pure ferrocene I never experienced increased fuel economy, but it did improve acceleration.

    I made this concoction to improve knock index and improve cleaning properties of fuel. It turns out, it is really cost effective and more potent cleaner when compared to commercial products, and it really is extremely good at improving fuel economy. I am not saying this out of placebo effect, many of my relatives and friends also responded with comparable results (However, fuel injected engines are not yet tested). Maybe its due to the viscosity change in fuel that causes reduced fuel consumption in case of carbureted engines with this mix.

    Ferrocene Spark plug deposits are not forming with this mix as well.

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  • heysoundude
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    It's time to re-shoot those videos: cameras/lighting and gimbal technologies have vastly improved, as has monitor resolution with end users/viewers and network delivery speeds. Further, I'd even suggest putting them on D-Tube if you have concerns over censorship and/or demonetization.

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  • Aaron Murakami
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    Originally posted by heysoundude View Post
    just to clarify - you put the spool between diode and primary?
    Did you see the presentations? I put it in there. Watch my plasma ignition and Grey tube/motor videos on Youtube. I lay the whole thing out.

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  • heysoundude
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    just to clarify - you put the spool between diode and primary?

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  • Aaron Murakami
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    Originally posted by heysoundude View Post
    I did. I've watched a number of times to try to figure out if it says 350' on top of the spool (I think so...)
    The pancake coils I was thinking of would be made of speaker wire or lamp cord, etc...lots more copper, and much thicker insulation than magnet wire...350' of coils can be compacted. heck, 1' of ethernet cable has 8' of wire in it...wire not too different from your magnet wire
    What it gets down to is just how much inductance is needed for the effect - pancake coils could be stacked as required until sufficient is my supposition, and one that needs testing to support or refute no doubt
    I used some wire on that spool so I'd guess there's at least 250 to 300 feet.

    For Tesla bifilar series winding method, I'd use a solenoid style wind rather than pancake for more inductance but you mind find something interesting with the added capacitance in the coil when charged. I didn't test that yet.

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  • heysoundude
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    I did. I've watched a number of times to try to figure out if it says 350' on top of the spool (I think so...)
    The pancake coils I was thinking of would be made of speaker wire or lamp cord, etc...lots more copper, and much thicker insulation than magnet wire...350' of coils can be compacted. heck, 1' of ethernet cable has 8' of wire in it...wire not too different from your magnet wire
    What it gets down to is just how much inductance is needed for the effect - pancake coils could be stacked as required until sufficient is my supposition, and one that needs testing to support or refute no doubt
    Last edited by heysoundude; 05-05-2020, 08:44 AM.

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  • Aaron Murakami
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    Originally posted by heysoundude View Post
    Thank you.
    I wonder if a small bifilar pancake coil would have a similar effect as your inductor.

    I may just have to get myself a copy of that document.
    I don't know if it would have enough inductance. You can see I used a whole spool of magnet wire.

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  • heysoundude
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    Thank you.
    I wonder if a small bifilar pancake coil would have a similar effect as your inductor.

    I may just have to get myself a copy of that document.

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  • Aaron Murakami
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    Originally posted by heysoundude View Post
    Aaron - in the energeticforum channel on YouTube is a video of a choke on the ground of a sparkplug. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N78E_qA4ws0
    Towards the end of it (@ ~2:06), when the choke was in circuit (rather than diodes? I'm unclear...help?) and water has been sprayed into the area of the plug, it appears to me that the "silent plasma" generates a more physical shock event as opposed to an acoustic "snap" - the choke coil actually starts hopping around on the table at every discharge. did you choose the HV diodes over this method as a way of tempering the energy so a plasma ignition system of this design wouldn't blow engines apart? Or is it not able to perform at higher RPM?
    How far did you take the research on this?
    I still used the HV diodes.

    I just put an inductor on the ground.

    My reasoning was that I was trying to limit electron current so the dissociated products of the plasma would stay separated longer before combining back to water.

    When you see that choke move - you have a motor - this is what direction I went with that:

    https://emediapress.com/aaronmurakam...aimpulsemotor/ - you can watch the demo video on that page - that was about 12 years ago.

    and

    This is the demo at the conference a few yeas ago -

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  • heysoundude
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    Aaron - in the energeticforum channel on YouTube is a video of a choke on the ground of a sparkplug. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N78E_qA4ws0
    Towards the end of it (@ ~2:06), when the choke was in circuit (rather than diodes? I'm unclear...help?) and water has been sprayed into the area of the plug, it appears to me that the "silent plasma" generates a more physical shock event as opposed to an acoustic "snap" - the choke coil actually starts hopping around on the table at every discharge. did you choose the HV diodes over this method as a way of tempering the energy so a plasma ignition system of this design wouldn't blow engines apart? Or is it not able to perform at higher RPM?
    How far did you take the research on this?

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  • heysoundude
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    Thank you. I will see if I need a specific permit or license to buy it, if it's legal here.

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  • firozmusthafa
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    Yes, Ferrocene is the same stuff. I bought directly from petro chemical stockist real cheap. I bought 500gms which would serve me years of continuous use, it is in powder form with yellow colour having striking resemblance with turmeric powder and smells a bit more like fire cracker. This stuff is used in sparse quantity in "total gasoline additive" which is why I got courage to experiment.

    Although I did read about spark plug fouling, I am currently using Ferrocene with plasma and already completed more than 10k kms at maximum dose. Plasma won't allow spark plug fouling as per my understanding. In presence of ferrocene, plasma grows even more due to higher charge conductivity thus resulting in much better combustion. Sure spark plug appears brownish all the time due to the presence of iron oxide, but I never found the insulation resistance of the plug going down with ferrocene.

    In case, if I experience any misfires I will immediately update it here.

    The other reason for efficiency is ferrocene burns with sparks, which means it contributes to multiple flame front making combustion as efficient as possible. As you know, carburetor sends gasoline in liquid form too. That liquid gasoline always will end up as wasted gasoline even with ferrocene.

    Technical grade ferrocene is way too expensive, you could probably look for pure ferrocene from petrochem suppliers. I am sure it must be available. If its available in India, sure it will be available in Canada

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  • heysoundude
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    Originally posted by firozmusthafa View Post
    Just an update on my recent experiments with octane booster. I tried ferrocene 2gms in 10 liter gasoline along with plasma and it totally reduced the exhaust gas temperature by 60 percentage.

    Ferrocene delays combustion till the spark ignition preventing detonation, resulting in tolerance for aggressive timing advance.

    I am now running on 15:1 cylinder head. Without ferrocene, engine use to ping like a pig, now no one can tell its a 15:1 engine
    Runs much cooler and stronger.

    Ferrocene - is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrocene#Fuel_additives what you're talking about? The section explaining how it's used as a fuel additive cautions against spark plug fouling, so I'm curious as to how your plasma ignition fares over time with this.

    How commonly available is this to you? I wouldn't begin to know where to look here in Canada for it, other than chemical supply houses

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  • RB176
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    Thanks for your help Aaron

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